Comments on: What I spurned on my summer vacation http://writhesafely.wordpress.com/2007/09/23/what-i-spurned-on-my-summer-vacation/ I think it’s probably a good thing to be considered stable, but with a capacity for madness. ~ Wayne Coyne, The Flaming Lips. Mon, 16 Nov 2009 06:03:04 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: hymes http://writhesafely.wordpress.com/2007/09/23/what-i-spurned-on-my-summer-vacation/#comment-24257 hymes Fri, 28 Sep 2007 03:47:12 +0000 http://writhesafely.wordpress.com/2007/09/23/what-i-spurned-on-my-summer-vacation/#comment-24257 You can listen to it in the archive. If you don't have the link, let me know and I'll send it to you. Pat Deegan was great. They do come on the phone and ask you what organization you are with but it isn't a public question, it's an operator. So you might want to be prepared for that if you join one in the future. But you don't have to say a word, you can just listen, I did. You can listen to it in the archive. If you don’t have the link, let me know and I’ll send it to you. Pat Deegan was great. They do come on the phone and ask you what organization you are with but it isn’t a public question, it’s an operator. So you might want to be prepared for that if you join one in the future. But you don’t have to say a word, you can just listen, I did.

]]> By: flawedplan http://writhesafely.wordpress.com/2007/09/23/what-i-spurned-on-my-summer-vacation/#comment-24231 flawedplan Thu, 27 Sep 2007 09:14:29 +0000 http://writhesafely.wordpress.com/2007/09/23/what-i-spurned-on-my-summer-vacation/#comment-24231 Today's the day. I called the SHAC and they said they have 700 members, all are invited. I asked if that includes CSX advocates too and she said, Oh no. No, no, no. But...you're welcome to come! I have my questions, just hope the voice comes with. And shit, Hymes, I was thinking about joining that SAMHSA teleconference, but got cold feet. Today’s the day. I called the SHAC and they said they have 700 members, all are invited. I asked if that includes CSX advocates too and she said, Oh no. No, no, no. But…you’re welcome to come! I have my questions, just hope the voice comes with. And shit, Hymes, I was thinking about joining that SAMHSA teleconference, but got cold feet.

]]> By: hymes http://writhesafely.wordpress.com/2007/09/23/what-i-spurned-on-my-summer-vacation/#comment-24217 hymes Wed, 26 Sep 2007 21:11:03 +0000 http://writhesafely.wordpress.com/2007/09/23/what-i-spurned-on-my-summer-vacation/#comment-24217 Sheesh, we aren't even seeing these kinds of proposals in Virginia! The fingerprinting has to be for the state police, not for MH system identification. They are assuming people in PACT will commit crimes and the fingerprints on file will be useful to the police. I bet it's unconstitutional, but do you have any lawyers who will take it on? Eliminate stigma so they can pretend it doesn't exist or what? Even the most regressive folks here admit there is prejudice and stigma against csx. Heck, I was just on a training teleconference with SAMSHA on internalized stigma today listening in, so even the feds. believe in stigma! Do they mean to eliminate therapy entirely and only give drugs or PACT? I am actually shocked for once. Sheesh, we aren’t even seeing these kinds of proposals in Virginia! The fingerprinting has to be for the state police, not for MH system identification. They are assuming people in PACT will commit crimes and the fingerprints on file will be useful to the police. I bet it’s unconstitutional, but do you have any lawyers who will take it on?

Eliminate stigma so they can pretend it doesn’t exist or what? Even the most regressive folks here admit there is prejudice and stigma against csx. Heck, I was just on a training teleconference with SAMSHA on internalized stigma today listening in, so even the feds. believe in stigma!

Do they mean to eliminate therapy entirely and only give drugs or PACT?

I am actually shocked for once.

]]> By: On bullshit « Writhe Safely http://writhesafely.wordpress.com/2007/09/23/what-i-spurned-on-my-summer-vacation/#comment-24206 On bullshit « Writhe Safely Wed, 26 Sep 2007 16:58:13 +0000 http://writhesafely.wordpress.com/2007/09/23/what-i-spurned-on-my-summer-vacation/#comment-24206 [...] is the wrong direction to take regarding the previous post. It’s not important what I believe. I don’t need you to believe what I do. What’s [...] [...] is the wrong direction to take regarding the previous post. It’s not important what I believe. I don’t need you to believe what I do. What’s [...]

]]> By: flawedplan http://writhesafely.wordpress.com/2007/09/23/what-i-spurned-on-my-summer-vacation/#comment-24145 flawedplan Mon, 24 Sep 2007 13:50:56 +0000 http://writhesafely.wordpress.com/2007/09/23/what-i-spurned-on-my-summer-vacation/#comment-24145 Those questions are on my list for Thursday. Mental Health Consumers are upset, the SHAC was their thing here and they've basically been run out of town, and are moving operations to Dallas where they can get some real work done. Those questions are on my list for Thursday. Mental Health Consumers are upset, the SHAC was their thing here and they’ve basically been run out of town, and are moving operations to Dallas where they can get some real work done.

]]> By: thememoryartist http://writhesafely.wordpress.com/2007/09/23/what-i-spurned-on-my-summer-vacation/#comment-24139 thememoryartist Mon, 24 Sep 2007 11:14:52 +0000 http://writhesafely.wordpress.com/2007/09/23/what-i-spurned-on-my-summer-vacation/#comment-24139 ...or is the fingerprinting for the purpose of getting them SS cards? I'm just wondering what prevents Joe Schmoe from saying he's Jack Shit and establishing a new identity. The fingerprinting isn't going to verify who anyone really is, unless of course, their prints are already identified in a database somewhere. It's sounds like it's really more for future tracking purposes, but hell, maybe I'm just paranoid. I'm betting everyone gets fingerprinted no matter what. …or is the fingerprinting for the purpose of getting them SS cards? I’m just wondering what prevents Joe Schmoe from saying he’s Jack Shit and establishing a new identity. The fingerprinting isn’t going to verify who anyone really is, unless of course, their prints are already identified in a database somewhere. It’s sounds like it’s really more for future tracking purposes, but hell, maybe I’m just paranoid. I’m betting everyone gets fingerprinted no matter what.

]]> By: thememoryartist http://writhesafely.wordpress.com/2007/09/23/what-i-spurned-on-my-summer-vacation/#comment-24138 thememoryartist Mon, 24 Sep 2007 09:46:28 +0000 http://writhesafely.wordpress.com/2007/09/23/what-i-spurned-on-my-summer-vacation/#comment-24138 A record of identity? I'm confused. Why can't they help people apply for a social security card instead? And if they don't have an SS card, how do they get insurance coverage to cover the cost of ACT. Here, that kind of thing usually gets paid for by medicaid, but people don't qualify for that without identification and a mailing address. If people don't have an SS card, they can't get SSI or SSD. How do they get by without income? Isn't ACT case management SUPPOSED to assist people with that kind of thing? It all sounds assbackwards to me. They're handing out a pack of lies. ...yep, it's a round-up. Next they'll need to tattoo everyone with an ID number. and NAMI... Not Advocating for those with Mental Illness Shit. If NAMI can't improve their relations with advocacy groups, it may have something to do with their fascism. What has been the reaction from Mental Health Consumers.org? A record of identity? I’m confused. Why can’t they help people apply for a social security card instead? And if they don’t have an SS card, how do they get insurance coverage to cover the cost of ACT. Here, that kind of thing usually gets paid for by medicaid, but people don’t qualify for that without identification and a mailing address. If people don’t have an SS card, they can’t get SSI or SSD. How do they get by without income? Isn’t ACT case management SUPPOSED to assist people with that kind of thing? It all sounds assbackwards to me. They’re handing out a pack of lies.
…yep, it’s a round-up. Next they’ll need to tattoo everyone with an ID number.

and NAMI…

Not
Advocating for those with
Mental
Illness

Shit. If NAMI can’t improve their relations with advocacy groups, it may have something to do with their fascism.
What has been the reaction from Mental Health Consumers.org?

]]> By: flawedplan http://writhesafely.wordpress.com/2007/09/23/what-i-spurned-on-my-summer-vacation/#comment-24135 flawedplan Mon, 24 Sep 2007 06:41:28 +0000 http://writhesafely.wordpress.com/2007/09/23/what-i-spurned-on-my-summer-vacation/#comment-24135 The rationale given for fingerprinting is to establish a record of identity. I doubt that all people in ACT have no social security numbers. So why not do it on a case by case basis? Maybe some people don't want the sheriff taking their fingerprints, and what if someone has an SS card or drivers license, will they be exempt? That no one even thinks to ask these questions is sickening. It's like old times, rounding up and branding niggers. NAMI claims to BE the "us" in "nothing about us without us", they're the nations voice on mental illness dontchaknow. So it was quite surreal hearing the Chair lecture the ex-NAMI director and new leader of the self-help and ADVOCACY center about the need to improve relations with advocacy groups. Why would an advocate need to improve relations with advocates? Strikes me as almost a backhanded admission that some advocates are not what they claim to be. The rationale given for fingerprinting is to establish a record of identity. I doubt that all people in ACT have no social security numbers. So why not do it on a case by case basis? Maybe some people don’t want the sheriff taking their fingerprints, and what if someone has an SS card or drivers license, will they be exempt? That no one even thinks to ask these questions is sickening. It’s like old times, rounding up and branding niggers.

NAMI claims to BE the “us” in “nothing about us without us”, they’re the nations voice on mental illness dontchaknow. So it was quite surreal hearing the Chair lecture the ex-NAMI director and new leader of the self-help and ADVOCACY center about the need to improve relations with advocacy groups. Why would an advocate need to improve relations with advocates? Strikes me as almost a backhanded admission that some advocates are not what they claim to be.

]]> By: thememoryartist http://writhesafely.wordpress.com/2007/09/23/what-i-spurned-on-my-summer-vacation/#comment-24128 thememoryartist Mon, 24 Sep 2007 00:02:46 +0000 http://writhesafely.wordpress.com/2007/09/23/what-i-spurned-on-my-summer-vacation/#comment-24128 I'm curious to know what their official justification is for fingerprinting ACT participants. I'm thinking back on my time at a community mental health clinic, when they were insisting on photographing the members of their social club, which consisted mainly of the most severely disabled patients who could not participate in the more rehabilitative programs. There were some who protested being photographed, or who at least questioned the need for such a thing, and they were met with threats that they'd be excluded from the program. The official story was that it was for the charts, but why? The insertion of the former NAMI director, how does that go along with the "Nothing about us without us" motto? Is that going to be rewritten? Interestingly, that motto was mentioned in my community psychology class as being central to the values of community psychology, which is supposed to promote a high degree of consumer involvement. The students are being fed these high-minded ideas that are clearly little more than lip-service. The ideology doesn't translate well to the real world. It's disappointing. There she goes my beautiful world...fitting tag... I’m curious to know what their official justification is for fingerprinting ACT participants.

I’m thinking back on my time at a community mental health clinic, when they were insisting on photographing the members of their social club, which consisted mainly of the most severely disabled patients who could not participate in the more rehabilitative programs. There were some who protested being photographed, or who at least questioned the need for such a thing, and they were met with threats that they’d be excluded from the program. The official story was that it was for the charts, but why?

The insertion of the former NAMI director, how does that go along with the “Nothing about us without us” motto? Is that going to be rewritten? Interestingly, that motto was mentioned in my community psychology class as being central to the values of community psychology, which is supposed to promote a high degree of consumer involvement. The students are being fed these high-minded ideas that are clearly little more than lip-service. The ideology doesn’t translate well to the real world. It’s disappointing.

There she goes my beautiful world…fitting tag…

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