and I get triggered by the blogosphere, spent Saturday writing this post, where I accused bigtime liberal bloggers of doing cognitive butchery, then all day yesterday scarfing Tylenol, trying to get my head back on. I can recognize PTSD shit, but I have the schizophrenia too, and one feature of that is thought disorder, has nothing to do with anything but schizophrenia, so how do you do, pleased to meet me.
Delusions and conspiracies and bizarre intellectual theories that make a kind of crazy sense, like reverse racism or psychoanalysis, I convinced myself that today’s liberal is basically a cognitive therapist, but I didn’t publish the post so a part of me knew I was off the deep end, so it wasn’t psychosis per se, which means a complete break with reality, but close enough, “thought disorder”, okay, not as bad as it used to be and doesn’t last as long, hoooray, kind of like a spell or a learning disability, not like imagination run riot, because it’s unpleasant and I can’t turn it off.
The thing is I don’t know, maybe I’m a seer, maybe today’s liberals are all cognitive therapists at heart and I found out. Bring the news. Here it is, in edited version:
Dear Blogosphere,
Stop doing cognitive therapy, jerks.
I’m reading hundreds of posts about the San Jose gangrape.
The 17 year old drunk unconscious girl who was rescued by 3 people who broke down the door, scooped vomit out of her mouth and who’s first words when she came to were “I’m sorry.” And,
“one of the guys who was in the room said ‘This is her fault. She got drunk and she did this to herself.’” (link)
The outcry has been swift and emphatic, she did not. That’s right. And the outpouring of support has helped her stand up and fight for prosecution.
But there is still the matter of what to do about an assault victim who blames herself. As a kid, same thing happened to me, over and over, I blamed myself til I was in my thirties. People who’ve almost died tend to blame themselves, if they’re hit by a car, onlookers understand that. But trauma caused by human violence is atrocity, perpetration couldn’t be clearer, so someone blaming themselves invites wonder and speculation.
I’m not going to link to the blog threads, it’s not about the blogs or the comments, which are well-meaning and versed in the sociological explanations — internalization of patriarchal blame, misogynistic cultural forces that mold a woman into someone who apologizes for being raped by 8 men.
That’s no excuse for the psychological butchering blithely engaged in by people who don’t even know there is a name for what they’re doing, because it’s become so prevalent it has no name but common sense.
At some point we are going to have to acknowledge the cultural influence of psychological trends. The dominant psychological ethos of an era changes its people, the impact is indirect, and insidious. The worst are those who say they have no interest in psychology and nothing to do with it, maggots, infecting the discourse. You don’t have to be in grad school or seeing a therapist to be someone who engages in cognitive therapy, today, any more than you had to visit Esalen to be a hippie in the sixties. But Esalon and hippies were twin products of the psychological fad of their time, or rather its bastardization, the lite, watered-down unrecognizable version of the psychological theory which then as now drives popular culture and legislative policy.
A digression:
Thirty years ago my alternative high school conducted “algebra rap sessions” instead of “algebra classes”, students sat in a circle on the floor, the principal wore a silver coke spoon on a chain around his neck. It was a public high school, subjected to bureaucratic oversight, deemed unremarkable that a principal wears drug paraphernalia as a fashion accessory. Today’s policymakers wouldn’t allow that any more than they allow for tax-funded alternative high schools.
That was a different time, well, no, it’s not times that change but norms, what changes norms happens out of sight, by academics, experts, opinion-makers and lobbyists who disseminate beliefs into the true and obvious unremarkable common-sense consensual reality that goes without saying. Thirty years ago the psychological character norm was open, agreeable, expressive, curious, generous, experimental and accommodating.
“I do my thing, you do yours.”
Warts and all that’s humanistic psychology, no longer fashionable, roundly discredited for fueling the “if it feels good do it” narcissistic ethos, the 1970s me-generation, belief in human potential let the cat out of the cage. Pendulum swings, now we are stoics, no irrational thought is to be left unmolested.
We threw away the fundamental tenet of humanism — that people are whole, that they’re comprehensible, that they’re trying to heal, that they make meaning, even/especially at their most perplexing. This is gone. I lived through that time, felt the paradigm shift. It felt bad. You can lay the excesses, misconstruings and exploitations of humanism at the feet of the humanists, but not here, I’ll throw them over when I see something better than whole, healing comprehensible people even at their most perplexing.
So, my cognitive-behaviorist bretheren, help me, I’ve been gangraped.
Actual blogospheric comments:
“I’m sorry?”
What is wrong with women?
I mean wrong. Physically. Spiritually. Something unnatural, something destructive, something that needs to be corrected.
Why would this girl feel she had to apologize for being raped? Maybe we should all — men and women — start working to correct the people who behave and think this way.
if women are apologizing for being raped, we need to acknowledge and deal with that part of the problem
Hands off, hands off, assholes, hello, she’s been raped! Lets start by acknowledging she has enough problems as it is, so what you plan to put on her plate had better be defensible from every possible critical attack you can imagine. Or we can just acknowledge the victim as a whole person. Who is not the sum of a feeling or the content coming out of her mouth. When the content is fucked up (“I’m sorry they raped me”) look for something else, look for what you don’t know. Respect self-blame as an effort to right the world. Go easy on her mind. How much you think a mind can take?
So I blame myself. You want to help? Don’t intrude on someone who’s sovereignty has been demolished. This is what I need to get back. Help preserve my locus of control. To contradict a person is to say they are wrong. Tell a victim she’s wrong to think she is wrong makes her wrong. You can’t tell someone something they already know. You think you know something she doesn’t?
I caused that means I’m in charge here . You think she really believes that, after being gangraped?
O’Neill:
“Of course people mutilate and modify, but these are fallen powers, and to change something you do not understand is the true nature of evil.”
To correct is to assume she will stop saying the wrong thing when logic convinces otherwise, because there’s no valid reason for hanging onto the irrational.
There are layers of knowing, “deep down” things you don’t want to look at. Force is never justified and it’s counterproductive. People have a right to go at their time and pace. If this is about supporting her, why the deadline? Why fix it right now if not to quell your own distress?
“I’m sorry they raped me” is not an expression of logic, but experience. Dismissed, nullified and invalidated experience, because it doesn’t fit with yours. Some things are new.
People say awful things they don’t believe, to be rid of it, get it out of them, to hear how it sounds, and then arrive at the conclusion that it makes no sense. Awful words hang in the air, without contradiction. Argue back, now your words hang in the air. There goes the moment. “You don’t deserve this.” What, the bad guy is to blame, thanks, I did not know that. And whatever culpability I still harbor will never see the light of day, thanks for shaming!
It took a long time for me to admit I had no control over what my childhood rapists did to me, a lot of preliminary steps had to happen first, and I lost something on the way, a sense of being in control of what happens to me. I built an intricate system of elaborations from an early age, and my feminist therapist listened to me take the blame week after week without interference. The day a tear slid down her cheek, I blew up at her for being weak. I was about strength. She tended to me, waited for openings, what more can you do but facilitate, make progress easier? Preserve agency, or say hi to “do anything to me girl”.
I don’t think those who advocate psychological correction of self-indicting victims would actually do it, I think they would get scared of the pending power struggle and instantly abandon her. But in a perfect hyper-rational world o’ cognition she’d line up straight and all would be gratified by the powers of reason. If only nothing ever happened that required something different.
Ya’ll need to be more crazy. And take a cutter to lunch.







but….but….they’re just trying to help! why don’t you appreciate all that they’re doing to help you!
right on, as always.
>maybe today’s liberals are all cognitive therapists at heart
Let’s try that again. Post it right this time (you got an edit button around here?)
>maybe today’s liberals are all cognitive therapists at heart
Didn’t work that time either. Well, I’m trying to say “nope, not me” to today’s liberals being cognitive therapists at heart.
Jeeeze, I can’t work this joint.
Thanks for the confirmation guys. I get so afraid of what I think. Because I’ve had “extreme mental states” that I now know were batshit insane I always wonder “is it happening now?” Nothing to do but put it out there, see what happens.
Heh, Grizz, this is what I replied to
>maybe today’s liberals are all cognitive therapists at heart
Lord knows you’re not, and neither am I. That’s two, as far as I’m concerned the rest are On Notice.
Put it out, I’ll pop it back if it don’t add up.
But then I’m bonkers too.
But you ain’t. And you know how I feel about lack of compassion & the cognitive bunch.
I’d put my long poem up, but I don’t know, like to keep some stuff at home. Got to get it all collected soon, I hope.
It’s there on your other site though.
Now, you’re just fine here, this thread, and illuminating really.
That’s two, as far as I’m concerned the rest are On Notice.
Ha! Yeah….
Got to go work on some furniture…
take care there Robin kid….
see you… much love & respect & thanks as always.
I’m a liberal and I am not and never was a member of the cognitive therapy party, oops, I mean fan club. Seriously, the woman was attacked and people are doing a critique of her response????????? Because the real issue is how she thinks about what happened to her not what happened to her??????
I dunno, sounds more like neo-cons to me.
“I caused that means I’m in charge here .”
That’s such an important insight that most don’t understand. It took me a long time to begin to see that. I think the more that people interfere by denying the victim the right to hang onto that sense of control while it’s needed, the longer it takes to heal. In a way that is not so obvious to most, it only compounds the trauma to try to force “correction” on that way of thinking.
This post really made me think (you often do, as I’ve mentioned). Personally, whilst reading some of this stuff before I read this, I didn’t think anyone genuinely thought they understood what that particular lass was thinking – especially as she apologised having just regained consciousness; in that precise moment in time it might have meant something quite different anyway.
In any case, I felt that the apology was being used as a symbol; as in “The first thing she said was sorry and isn’t that what a lot of rape victims are made to feel by our sexist society?”
She became a straw victim, as it were, not an actual individual on the couch. Which is disrespectful, but quickly happens with any news story like this. And I was of the opinion that more good probably came out of discussing this stuff as if we understood, even if the actual individuals wouldn’t recognise themselves in our discourse. As societies, we do need to understand the response of the rape victim in order to better respond to them.
However, after reading your post, I’m not so sure. My own amateur psychologist take on the wider issue of guilt and rape would be that guilt is extremely likely to crop up as part of the response to almost any major trauma; the particular bugger with rape is that (a) external messages – our attitude to feminine sexuality – can serve to reinforce this and (b) because as societies we want to catch and punish rapists, it would be terribly convenient if victims could override all their feelings of guilt or self-doubt on the matter as soon as possible.
And perhaps that is our mistake; instead of trying to work out how best to support victims through their own unique and deeply personal processes, we want outside control over the shape of those processes.
I’m not sure if anything I’ve said makes sense, but this was a very good post, highly educative for me. Thank you.
Wonderful comments, thanks all. The perpetrator and victim blamed the victim and that seems to be what started this firestorm. Of course the perpetrator blames the victim, they always do. But not likely for the same reason a victim blames herself. What made me so angry about the blogosphere was the blithe psychologizing of her without showing a scintilla of psychological competence. Feminists want her to express righteous outrage, it’s ignorant to believe she has no rage, that she won’t be dealing with rage the rest of her life. People deny rage that they fear will annihilate them, it doesn’t mean the feeling isn’t there. Sometimes it’s there too much, and we defend against it (the technical term is “reaction formation”) people who want to do psychological vettings on others ought to do their homework first. I agree it’s fine to discuss these matters, and that psychology needs to be wrested from the purview of “experts”, there is so much we can learn, fast, in a weekend, to enrich our discussions, and to especially “be there” in a meaningful way when dealing with someone who’s reaction to trauma baffles.
Goldfish, one more thing, and I am still exercised about things so forgive my abrupt tone, but the guilt you mention the rape victim feels, everyone says it’s because she feels like a slut, “I’m a bad, wanton, drunken slut and deserve whatever happens to me.” Argh!!! People don’t live inside ideologies, and in extremis they don’t look at themselves through the eyes of society.
The guilt someone feels in a time like that has more to do with not taking care of the self, “how did I let this horrible thing happen to me?” That’s not a measure of self-hatred, but of self-value, guilt that I “allowed” something to harm ME, and I will TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THAT (locus of control) to keep it from happening again.
I’m not saying this is “smart”, just speaking from experience of how it was for me and the people I’ve worked with post-victimization. There is social evil (drunk, slut, deserves what happens to her and should feel guilt), but I don’t think it has to do with why victims feel guilty (I put myself in harms way, what was I thinking?), which is not to blame the victim, but to understand her; and to make “her” matter. I think the sense of control is paramount, and a necessary illusion, without that women self-destruct. I’m drunk, this has pushed every fucking button, it’s coping time.
I feel guilty about my kidney failure, even though I was delirious (literally, from dehydration) when I made a decision to go along with the recommendation of the psychiatrist who killed my kidneys. I hold on to that small bit of guilt because otherwise it’s just totally random what happened to me, if I had no part in it at all, and that feels worse.
When the character Bob Hope ( yes, Bob Hope) essentially played over and over in films pretended to be brave, it was language to try to cover fear. And to gain time. Conquer time, conquer set expectations. Protect himself. Try on W.C. Fields, Groucho, or the actions and body languages of Keaton or Chaplin. Unique responses to expectations, all used as shields or weapons, all against the grain, all heroic even if showing or parodying cowardliness. Bravery is a strange beast, it is least understood as are, well, most things now if they are poetic. There was nothing irrational about what she said, she was raped by eight men, for Christ’s sake, leave her alone. It’s about language, isn’t it? Stretch the perception of language, including body language, that’s what comic souls did, they were poets. Their characters were brave. Now days comics are straight forward in their dissertations and dissections of social wrongs; and it’s emblematic of health care’s losing the beauty in the irrational as response. And as, as flawed plan said, control. A control that is real but not standard. A dignity that is real but not standard.
As a poet does, as language combined or delivered not by somnambulists.
It could be a response out of shock, but what does shock draw from? A pool appropriate, somehow, a voice to survive. Bless her response, bless the spirit of protection that does what it needs and stop judging it.
Hallelujah.
in the begining of the writing, you state you are schizophrenic/have schizophrenia.
I’m supposed to have it also, but I (from my perspective)only got it in 2003 when I was supposed to have it from 1985 when it was diagnosed.
You don’t appear schizophrenic to me, and I assume I don’t appear schizophrenic to my (offline/non-Internet) friends, so whats the label really mean?
Not what people think it means. We can raise consciousness, Mark.
This is a great post and thread. I think the culmination of thoughts here shows how diverse emotions and reactions are for individuals. I think “Im sorry” is a way to preserve self, and yes, also state how the hell did this happen to me. Interestingly, with all of the hell my daughter went through at those hospitals—yesterday while driving in the car that young 19 year old looked at me and said, “Im sorry”. There you go. She did nothing wrong. I made sure to tell her that and remind her she was actually, in my opinion one of the bravest people I ever met. After all those docs overmedicated her, shipped her off to the state hospital, etc. she ends up saying she is sorry. When I told her she is a victorious human being for getting out of that system and a true hero, she was beaming.
I know when I read the story, I was glad that someone cared enough to intervene. That there were to bipedal vertebrates who interrupted the crime.
I was angry because it appeared that the DA had their heads up their collective asses.
But I intimately understand what you mean by people expecting you to get better on their time table because, well all that *dragging your ass around on their expensive carpet like a wormy dawg makes them uncomfortable.
I have lost what I thought were friends over this. And it sucks. Because you are absolutely correct. The poison must be teased out, it must ooze out on its own, it must periodically erupt like a volcano and outgas like an angry jovial planet. Most people are not ready to watch another human being undergo such terrifying contortions. It does hurt just to watch. And they will do anything to appease you in that moment, if you will just stop.
But all they do is prolong your inner torment and they dont even know it.
Its nice to know that others see that too and can express it so eloquently.
I wish I could say I was never guilty of that sin.
SEC,
Based on the smarts above I checked your site, it’s great. I was thinking of leaving a comment but didn’t because I’m scared to be the first. I imagine people are reading your new blog, if not they should and will be when the link-exchanging takes off, even then people might be scared or something so don’t let that stop you.
Your TMI post, I gotcha, go thru that here too. Of course. And your riff “you may have PTSD if…” was right on, gallows humor. You mentioned credibility, there it is; gallows humor can’t be faked, so people doing it have to know what they’re talking about.
And I totally relate to the “initiation” of moving out of the denying world and into the survivor consciousness, if that’s what you meant.
And I saw the reference to “unconditional positive regard” welp, I just now this second used that term in a 700 comment thread at Sadly, No! There is a common language, if spoken by few, your post on the river beneath the blogosphere was right on, we’re not alone. But we are marginalized, though no one is censoring us, we’ll get the attention we command.
These are what I would say at your place if not for fear of trampling on sanctified ground. I’ll work to get over that inhibition, and you come by here anytime. My blogroll has good folks on it too, including you.
Not to nitpick on what is a fantastic post, but aren’t those Joss Whedon’s comments regarding a fictional character? Where the exact circumstances of her saying “I’m sorry” are unclear? Not comments about the CA case. Or about rape in particular.
Not that your post doesn’t apply at all to his, because he’s using a woman apparently apologizing for the harm done to her as a jumping off point. But your quote is a bit misleading because he’s saying that culture says that women are fundamentally wrong, not that culture has forced women to become wrong. I got the impression that the apology enraged him not because it’s irrational and wrong that she would feel compelled to say it, but because someone decided it would help sell a movie about a woman who is brutalized.
I wish I was that coherent and brilliant while drunk.
Hunh, that’s right, I googled the phrase and it’s out there, 342 blog hits. The attribution to this chap wasn’t clear to me at the time. The feminists are praising his sentiment, which comes from a well-meaning place, but I stand by my words.
His full quote:
It appears he’s arguing that women are not *masochistic* and are being misrepresented as such. Cultural depictions of screwed up women are just media representations, they don’t exist, and if they did, the appropriate response would be:
Nothing.
Pretending women can’t be malevolent, destructive, weak and manipulative is stereotypical bullshit.
What people make of that behavior is the real issue.
It’s the moralism I reject. And the abandonment.
“I am sorry” does indeed mean “I am in charge here” of this sorry situation. I am in charge is the first statement of a whole person trying to make sense of the terror and the violence and that it happened to her. I am sorry means that someone, even the wrong person will take responsibility for what happened even when she isn’t responsible for the actions of her rapists. She is however in charge, responsible for herself and how she experiences it once she does become aware that she is going to be the one that gets herself through this nightmare. She has just awakened and she is self nuturing, self soothing, self aware and goddamnit she needs someone to be sorry so she can start living with the damage and the aftermath.
Sometimes I just want to slap a liberal and a conservative and put them in a room together. They would of course blame me for slapping them for all the hurt these two complete idiots have brought on women everywhere. The liberal for finding the woman flawed and the conservatives for blaming the victim. The liberal for trying to understand why people abuse each other and the conservative for giving them the money to publish that shit. The liberal for their indifference to suffering in the name of “well, that is those boys’ culture,” and the conservative for thinking that freedom means that women can choose the method of their own victimization.
It is like those idiots who actually think that women are free to wear miniskirts and or burkas and not see that both are attempts at making women’s bodies the battle ground. Both think that women are free to read Vogue and buy those clothes that scream “objectify me, boys. I am free for you to violate at will.”